In article <turkrCro0ME.D2D@netcom.com>, turkr@netcom.com (Ross Turk) writes:
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> In article <djkCrnx0L.HqB@netcom.com>, Daniel J. Karnes <djk@netcom.com> wrote:
> >>Put them in jail, then try to rehabilitate them. If you can’t
> >>rehabilitate them, you leave them there forever. If you can, then you’ve
> >>benefitted society. Rehabilitation is entirely possible.
> >
> >Death is the only reward that murder should ever bring. Any other result
> >will not deter murder.
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> >>Revenge never helped anybody.
Can anyone follow this? : )
Ready, set, go: If you killed all the living murderers now, the U.S. would experience the same number of murders the following year.
Our culture creates murder. Nothing else is responsible. Our humans are like those of any other country/culture, it’s the setting that’s different. Changing the people won’t change anything, new ones will pop up. Until we change the culture, the product will remain the same despite reform, rehab, psychnumbing drugs and corrections—they’re all the tiniest of bandaids which only contribute to the further enslavement and decline of the culture.
Actually, that’s not true. Revenge helps people all the time. It’s the lack of power and power
to avenge (taken away by the state) which are in fact big contributors to uncontrolled ‘pressure burst’ reactions which cause most murders in the first place. (The rest of the reason why we murder is that our culture encourages indulgence.)
In fact it seems much more realistic, normal and simple to personally avenge any evil thing someone does to you yourself. Or for you and your friends and relatives to avenge the evil
thing. And to make the revenge commensurate with the crime. (Plunder three times as many livestock as were stolen from you, plus burn a building, to avenge the theft of an animal, for instance…or to immediately go and try to kill a killer or put them into slavery, and so forth.) It is more normal to do this than it is to put the power of revenge in the hands of a state. Personal revenge has been meting out justice forever—and on average it’s probably no less timely or accurate than that run by the state. (Most of the time, victims of murder know very well who did the killing…that’s rarely in doubt.)
In fact, state systems are very hard for humans to accept. They go against the grain. State systems are generally the only ones that avenge crime in completely non-commensurate ways unconnected with reality…states are happy to use lethal force to correct shoplifting, or illegal border crossings, etc. They do this—and they go after criminals and *show* us what happens to them—mainly *NOT* to make up for any harm against you, but instead to maintain their ability to coerce. This is why victims never feel that justice is done for them. Because it’s not! Never was supposed to!
The state merely steps in to show people that you can’t do crime around here. It doesn’t care about you and what happened to you personally at all! That’s not its job. The way you will ever be most helped if you are a victim is if you would be able to go to the perp and take back what they stole and then leave a reminder.
